But...do you truly understand how bad [vae victus] is as philosophy and as civilization? Let's fully sharpen the point.
Scene: you have punched a baby as hard as you can. "Vae Victus!" The baby deserved it for being too weak to defend itself. You can do whatever you want to that baby and it's not only okay, but "may even be right and proper."
As a general principle, folk make mistakes and say stupid things sometimes. Everyone has brain farts; it happens. Unfortunately everyone else immediately went groupthink on the baby-punching ideology. "Spot on, punch those babies bro." That's not a mistake. That's a disease. Plague-like.
Simplified: vae victus doesn't apply to traitors. Certainly if you have a open, honourable conflict between two full groups lead by adults etc, I hold little sympathy for the defeated. If you're all like, "Yeah I'ma punch an outgroup baby, it's better if outgroup doesn't get to be fruitful," and the parents fail to fight you off, my crib values say it's still sketchy but logically those parents deserved to have their baby punched.
If instead you're an SJW and are all like, "Anyone who punches babies is a Literal Nazi Concentration Camp Guard," as a way to get close to the baby you're punching, then you deserve to be kept alive as long as possible...given the circumstances. Keep blood transfusions handy and that sort of thing. If they believed you, it means they considered you trusted or an authority, which means symbolically you're attacking your own family. Fratricide.
Further, this disease is a lame, loser disease. The sovereign says you shouldn't believe [vae victus]. The sovereign's dad can unquestionably beat up your dad. Why aren't you surrendering? You deserve to believe whatever you're told to believe, cuck. Take it up the ass already. Vae victus.
I was sharpening the point fully, wasn't I? Vae victus is a pedophile idea.
The revolutionary government is always the same as the old government, isn't it? The West's old government is a bunch of satanic pedophiles, and the so-called dissidents' core commitments are fully on board. In retrospect, not surprising. Fascists gonna Fasc.
But, yes, at some point endemic treachery also reflects on the betrayed.
Did you see what she was wearing? Sympathy for
the victim itself becomes a disease. "Have you considered not being a complete dumbass?" This doesn't make the rape a not-crime, though. The rapist should still be tied up by his dangly bits.
Responsibility is only half conserved. It has a minimum at 100% but 200% or 300% is not only possible, but easy. Blaming the victim doesn't mean the perpetrator loses any blame.
This is why proggies don't talk explicitly about their ideology, incidentally. They try to strictly adhere to hints, insinuations, guilt by association, and painting with a broad brush. If you write down your ideas then your ideas can be attacked. Progressive ideas are composed of duct tape, gum, and security holes. Writing them down is not a winning strategy.
Also incidentally: when the SJW manages to successfully punch a baby they
are at least following their own depraved desires. What do you suppose
is a meet judgment for someone who rhetorically defends the SJW even though they
didn't get to punch a baby or even want babies punched?
Further incidentally, think about the cognitive horizon angle. The Yud likes to say logic is weak because it gets less reliable the more layers you stack. Although hardly false, it's also hardly impossible to git gud enough to stack as many layers as anyone could want. Proggies, the Yud, and fellow travellers instead like to argue for the weakness of logic to limit how gud you git so they don't have to submit to silly things like Truth or Reality. They want you to have a nice properly limited cognitive horizon so they can look where the horizon is and choose the argument that happens to prove whatever they want to prove just before it goes over your horizon.
Secondarily, it's egalitarianism again. Some folk (peasants) are too stupid to master logic. Therefore, nobody can master logic. Makes perfect sense, right?
Cendi intally, the revolution reproducing the government this way has already happened. The satanic pedophile proggies, seeing the satanic pedophile aristocrats, thought oppressing the peasants was just fine and dandy but was done too openly. Have to oppress the peasants but make it think it was their own idea. You Are Here. The next stage is apparently being a satanic pedophile but, you know, in a decentralized way. "What if we had satanism look like Christianity?" "Genius dood." Make [buggered children] traditional and irrefutable. It's been going on for at least 300 years, so it's already halfway there.
Maybe this sort of thing is why you believe in free will if you can't grok the galaxy-brain [wrong question] angle. If libertarianism is true then you don't have to merely accept whatever has already happened. It is true that you don't have to accept whatever has already happened, so it's always better to discard any ideology that says you do, even if you don't properly understand the converse ideas.
If you want to be super charitable, vae victus is an empty idea. The baby deserved to have to her digestive tract mutilated by that pedophile, but also the pedophile deserved to understand woodchippers first-hand. Or first-feet, as it were. At best the principle offers no guidance. It says to do whatever you were already going to do. You could say the point of endorsing [vae victus] is to get moral nihilism snuck in, but as per the cognitive horizon considerations, this only demonstrates one should endorse moral nihilism directly, and thus still condemns what was in fact endorsed.