tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5204863782883637837.post9023874670470786507..comments2024-03-27T20:51:11.303-04:00Comments on Accepting Ignorance: Shall We Deprecate Social Status?Alrenoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11119846531341190283noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5204863782883637837.post-49199732048300102232016-04-21T15:00:44.849-04:002016-04-21T15:00:44.849-04:00Are you sure there's a real connection? It'...Are you sure there's a real connection? It's pretty complicated - it has to be species enemy -> resentful but powerful nerds -> segregation in schools as a method of inciting the proletariat to rise up against their bourgeoisie/jock masters. <br /><br />Otherwise it's segregation -> makes them enemies -> makes them species enemies. But then it's not 'species' or 'social' enemies, it's purely contingent, and the latter two steps collapse. <br />Alrenoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11119846531341190283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5204863782883637837.post-51859703022353039472016-04-20T12:09:56.983-04:002016-04-20T12:09:56.983-04:00Uh oh. Looks like someone swallowed Moldbug's ...Uh oh. Looks like someone swallowed Moldbug's message whole and ran with it. http://www.xenosystems.net/twitter-cuts-61/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5204863782883637837.post-36102227535226262782016-04-06T03:37:12.753-04:002016-04-06T03:37:12.753-04:00"I'm not sure if it's worse if Yarvin..."I'm not sure if it's worse if Yarvin is lying here or if he really believes this. It's sophism. Effective, but misleading at best."<br /><br />Agreed! Happy to have stumbled across your post, I had similar thoughts reading the article.<br /><br />It's not that Moldbug is lying or backtracking anything he said before, it's just that the IQ-message is not what it seems to be on the surface. He is not bringing forth any new information, he is actually safety-signalling (to a suspicious crowd?). Sophism, exactly.Alfnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5204863782883637837.post-4115512310535759862016-04-04T09:51:41.467-04:002016-04-04T09:51:41.467-04:00Ack. Malik was the name. (Dunno why I was fixated ...Ack. Malik was the name. (Dunno why I was fixated on the letter 'T'.)<br /><br />I don't disagree. However, the Maliks of the world are more frozen out today than they were 50 years ago. Maybe that was unavoidable economically speaking, maybe not. (The sort of people who out-competed Malik are no better at Calculus III than he is.) But it's awfully suspicious that the Maliks of the world have been frozen out during the exact period of time where real dollars were spent (and real propaganda created) explicitly to alleviate the whatever burdens were holding Maliks down. You'd think that at least Progs would first do no harm. (You'd think that, that is to say, if you believed their words.)<br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16050831858972171741noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5204863782883637837.post-14951881172506788662016-04-03T14:34:14.693-04:002016-04-03T14:34:14.693-04:00The phrase 'blacks have lower IQ' is calle...The phrase 'blacks have lower IQ' is called 'racist' is because 'racist' means 'jeering non-whites,' and if blacks in fact have lower IQ on average, they will have lower social status on average. Philosophers can and should therefore ignore social status. For the rest of you, it's impractical at best.<br /><br />Whether Tyrone or Malik is completely frozen out or not is a subsidiary issue. But we can see that all societies throughout history have delighted in tormenting low-status individuals. Most likely, Malik is frozen out through this circuitous pattern only for plausible deniability. Should be become acceptable to say Malik is stupid, all that will happen is he'll be frozen out openly.<br /><br />Preventing society from tormenting low status individuals (currently the stupid and the white cis male) is a social-engineering project at least as ambitious as the proggies' most feverish dreams. Alrenoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11119846531341190283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5204863782883637837.post-43432782652895976062016-04-02T12:43:29.212-04:002016-04-02T12:43:29.212-04:00I don't take CGY to be saying "Content of...I don't take CGY to be saying "Content of character" über alles. He's just saying IQ über alles is unjust too. He writes somewhere in the comments there about his buddy Tyrone (or whatever his name was) whom CGY (as 14 year old Calc III student or whatever) helped get through Elementary Algebra, and how it's an unjust system where the only way Tyrone can get social status is to complete Calculus. Tyrone will never complete Calculus. Moreover the system pretends he can. Just try harder, Tyrone, and your dreams will come true. Productive jobs for Tyrone are gone. So who's the racist? It's the IQist. CGY cares more about an actual person (Tyrone, Tammil, or whatever the name was) than abstractions. That's a way NOT to be racist. Even if you fully expect a whole lotta Tyrones will never be able to complete Calculus.<br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16050831858972171741noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5204863782883637837.post-41229934378767763262016-03-28T14:54:45.674-04:002016-03-28T14:54:45.674-04:00Yes, good point.
So then you'd say the lady do...Yes, good point.<br />So then you'd say the lady doth protest too much? This is in fact a Moldbug screed, despite making every pretense to be about getting Yarvin into the conference? Alrenoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11119846531341190283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5204863782883637837.post-50330413556295889952016-03-28T08:08:12.902-04:002016-03-28T08:08:12.902-04:00"Perhaps someone can explain..." If I ma..."Perhaps someone can explain..." If I may be so bold...<br /><br />Being scrupulously diplomatic followed up by a really harsh line is a great rhetorical trick. It's getting closer so that the harshness provides a much greater emotional impact through contrast. It also provides an image of fair-mindedness first so that the judgement seems to flow from fairmindedness as opposed to bile, again increasing rhetorical impact. That's the idea I think anyway.Hoyosnoreply@blogger.com